Hans: "horses is not harmful when they are beaten. (I told him at the time, to temper his fear of smashing the horses.) I once it actually did. I once had a whip, and I hit the horse, she fell and made a noise of feet. " Me: "When?" Hans: "In Gmunden". I am a "real horse? Harnessed to a carriage? " Hans: "It was without a crew." Me: "Where is she?" Hans: "I held her, so she did not run away." (All this, of course, is quite incredible.) Me: "Where was it?" Hans: "The Source". Me: "Who told you this allowed? Is the driver left it there? "